Transcript of Bush/Cheney Testimony Before
the 9/11 Commission -- [from JU off Topic]
Chairman
Kean: The Commission will come to order. Welcome, Mr. President and Mr.
Vice President. Although, per our agreement, you are not being placed
under oath, we expect that your testimony will consist only of the
truth. The Commission and the American people deserve no less, and we
trust you are in full agreement with this expectation.
Cheney: Yes, of course.
Bush: Sure, OK.
Kean:
I have a few preliminary questions. First, Mr. President, please tell
us what pre-9/11 warnings you were receiving in the Summer of 2001 from
various intelligence agencies and from other nations' leaders about a
possible coming Al Qaida attack.
Bush: It was all historical.
You know, old stuff, very general, about Osama's desire to hurt the
United States. They hate us, you know, hate our freedoms. Nothing
specific.
Kean: Did you receive warnings about the possibility of airplanes being hijacked and used as weapons?
Bush: Nobody would have ever thought of that. For example, there was the Genoa summit where--
Cheney:
To complete that thought. There had been some information in the past,
historical reports, about how Al Qaida might want to hijack an airplane
and exchange the hostages for the release of the blind Muslim leader.
But, of course, nothing about planes used as weapons.
Kean:
But the President just mentioned the Genoa Summit meeting of world
leaders, where there was intelligence that terrorists might want to fly
a plane into the hotel where the heads of state were staying. I presume
that is why President Bush chose to stay on a naval vessel offshore. Is
that what you were referring to, Mr. President?
Cheney: I
think the President was referring to the fact that the world leaders,
assembled for an economic summit, were also going to be talking about
how to combat terrorism.
Kean: Excuse me, Mr. Vice President, but I was addressing that question to the President.
Bush: The Vice President has explained my position.
Kean:
Very well. Let's move on to what, on the surface, appears to be
inexplicable behavior at the Florida schoolhouse on the morning of
9/11. Mr. President, you were in the schoolroom listening to children
read, your Chief of Staff Andrew Card walked in and told you that the
second tower had been struck by another jet; America clearly was under
attack from some nation or band of terrorists, yet you did not quickly
leave, the Secret Service did not whisk you away to safety, your staff
did not request that you depart to assume command as Commander in
Chief. In short, your behavior was so casual as to leave one puzzled.
Could you explain, please?
Bush: It was a very emotional,
confusing time, so I'm not sure I can remember all the details of that
morning. As to why I continued to sit there, I knew that the Vice
President was on top of things in Washington and--
Cheney: We
conferred on the phone, coordinating the approach the government should
be taking. I took the President's commands and implemented them while
he made his way back to the capital.
Kean: Let's ignore for a
moment the whole phone-communication discussion -- that is, how and
when you two conferred when the President was sitting in the classroom
for 20+ minutes; the key question is why he didn't exit the classroom
immediately, both for safety's sake in case terrorists were out to get
him as well, and in terms of assuming command and control of the
government's response. How can that be explained?
Cheney: If I
may, Mr. Chairman. It was a chaotic time that morning. While the
government responses were being prepared, and information gathered --
by Dick Clarke, myself, and so on -- it was all so confusing, there was
no precedent for how to behave, etc.
Bush: Very confusing. Very historical.
Kean:
Very well. One more question from me and then we'll open it up to
questions from the Commissioners. Would you explain, please, Mr.
President, why during the summer of 2001, when the threat reports were
spiking, you left Washington, D.C., for a month's vacation in Texas,
and therefore did not confer directly with CIA Director Tenet about
those increasing reports; and why Attorney General Ashcroft, having
received an FBI "threat assessment," stopped flying on commercial
aircraft? The implication certainly is that your Administration had
received reliable reports that aircraft might be hijacked and used as
weapons aimed at buildings in Washington and New York City. Certainly
nobody would fault you for protecting yourselves and the ongoing
governmental institutions, but what the victims' families have
requested me to ask you is this: If you took steps to protect
yourselves from harm, why, when you realized a massive attack was in
the works, why did you do little or nothing to help protect ordinary
American citizens on commercial aircraft and in those skyscrapers and
government buildings?
Bush: It was all historical information.
No specifics. If we'd had specific information, we would have moved
earth and the...earth and the...you know what I mean, to stop those
Islam fanatics.
Cheney: None of the warnings ever provided enough to act on. Non-actionable intelligence. It was all vague. And historical.
Kean: Commissioner Ben Veniste?
Ben
Veniste: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. President, let me read you key
descriptions of the warnings in the Presidential Daily Briefing of 6
August 2001, and then you tell me whether you feel those words should
have provoked some actionable moves on your part to protect the
American people.
Bush: Nothing specific, not enough to go on.
I would have moved heaven and...heaven and...you know what I mean, to
protect the American people.
Ben Veniste: Yes. Let's look at
that intelligence summary: The title of that PDB memo is "Bin Laden
Determined To Attack In the United States" -- not, as Ari Fleischer
told the press originally, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack the United
States." In the PDB is a reference to the fact that al Qaeda was
currently maintaining a "support structure" in the United States. And
it cited information obtained in May 2001 suggesting "that a group of
bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives."
It specifically refers to "patterns of suspicious activity in this
country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of
attacks," and mentions that terrorist suspects were observed doing
"recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York." Do those quotes
refresh your recollection about the dire warnings that something
extraordinary was about to happen?
Bush: There were no flight numbers, no date, all very vague. Nobody could have imagined that planes--
Cheney: I think we've answered your question, Mr. Ben Veniste. Let us move on to another topic.
Ben
Veniste: I don't recall my asking you a question, sir. Now, Mr.
President, following up on your answer, let me ask you this: Does it
seem reasonable that a secretive terrorist organization would provide
you with the actual flight numbers and date for their attack? The key
question remains: With all the fairly specific warnings that you were
made privy to, why you did not take actions that perhaps would have
helped protect American citizens, as you swore to do when you took your
oath of office as President?
Cheney: With all due respect, Mr.
Ben Veniste, we have made time in our busy schedules to be here with
you today, but going over and over the same point seems
counter-productive. Might we move on, please?
Ben Veniste: May
I remind the witness once again that the rules of this hearing are set
by the Commission, not by the Vice President of the United States.
Please be so good as to answer the question, Mr. President.
Bush:
It's all so complicated. You wouldn't believe the amount of paper work
and issues a President has to deal with. That was more than three years
ago, and I can't remember all the details. The Vice President has a
better handle on those facts, and I would prefer that he speak on my
behalf.
Kean: The witness will answer the question posed to him.
Cheney:
This is not a court of law, Mr. Chairman. We appear here voluntarily to
assist the Commission in its duties of trying to assess where our
intelligence and law-enforcement agencies might have gone wrong, might
have missed connecting the dots and so on. The FBI and the CIA were
deficient--
Kean: The witness will answer the question posed to him. Mr. President, please proceed.
Cheney:
There are important questions of separation of powers here, Mr.
Chairman. The Executive cannot be compelled by the Legislative branch
to answer questions that might compromise national security and the
right of the President to assert Executive Privilege.
Kean:
Mr. Vice President, please listen to me carefully. The question was not
posed to you, but to the President. If you persist in interrupting, you
will be asked to leave the room, and we will call you separately to
testify later. Finally, this is not a legislative body; the President
and Congress have established this independent Commission. You both
have agreed to tell us the truth of what you know. Now, Mr. President,
the Commissioners are waiting to hear your response to the question
posed by Commissioner Ben Veniste.
Cheney: Mr. Chairman,
please listen to me equally as carefully. The President and I didn't
agree to come here today to be badgered by the Commission, but rather
to try to assist you in putting together an understanding of how and
why our intelligence services might have fallen down on the job. If you
persist in going over old grounds and into national security matters
that are outside your purview, we will have no other recourse but to
assume you are acting in bad faith and we will feel compelled to leave
and return to our duties.
Vice Chairman Hamilton: If I may,
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to respond to the Vice President. First, there
is nothing "outside the purview" of this Commission's mandate,
including classified matters. Second, Mr. Vice President, we agreed to
this odd arrangement of having the two of you appear together as a
courtesy to you. You both are here, and we expect courtesy and
cooperation from you. If you do not like the questions posed to you,
you are free to record your objections on the record, but you have
agreed to come here and tell the truth, which implies answering the
questions posed. Should you choose not to cooperate and to leave the
hearings after only about 15 minutes or so, the American people will
have to make up their own minds as to why you might have done that.
Cheney:
If you persist in turning this into an adversarial hearing, then we
would like the White House Counsel, Mr. Gonzales, to be present.
Kean:
Mr. Vice President, this is not an adversarial hearing. We are an
informational body, trying to amass answers that will aid us in coming
up with recommendations to the Congress and the Executive Branch to
help prevent future 9/11 attacks. In order to do that job, we need to
ask exploratory questions that help us fill in the blanks, that give us
a fuller picture of what transpired in the weeks and months before
9/11. No disrespect is intended. In that light, The President once
again is requested to answer the question posed. We will afford you,
Mr. Vice President, the full opportunity to answer following the
President's response.
Cheney: I would appreciate the courtesy
of answering first, if you don't mind. This is all very complicated
information -- and perhaps I can set the context that will aid you in
understanding the President's response.
Kean: Mr. Vice
President, we appreciate your desire to set the context for us -- and
for the President. But, if memory serves, I believe Commissioner Ben
Veniste's question was asked of the President. Commissioner, would you
object if the Vice President answered the question first?
Ben
Veniste: I would be most delighted to hear the Vice President's remarks
-- following the President's response to my question.
[The President and the Vice President confer.]
Bush: Let me say again that the intelligence information that was coming into the White House--
Cheney: That was coming into the FBI and CIA--
Vice Chairman Hamilton: Mr. Cheney, I warn you again not to int--
Kean: Please proceed, Mr. President, without further interruptions, please.
Bush:
Yes, I was trying to say that the intelligence that we got -- the
intelligence we got from the FBI and CIA -- was all very vague, very
non-specific. We knew Al Qaida didn't like the U.S., hated us for our
freedoms, you know, so the intelligence reporting that he wanted to
attack us was nothing new. And there was nothing specific about when or
where such an attack might take place, so there was nothing I could
have done, or should have done, when there were no specific details.
Ben
Veniste: So, if I understand you correctly, Mr. President, you're
saying that if you had received exact details, you would have, in your
words -- sort of -- moved heaven and earth to protect and defend
American citizens and interests.
Bush: Yes, that's it. Exactly. I would have moved...I would have done just like you said.
Ben
Veniste: So in the PDB of 6 August 2001, when it refers to suspicious
activities of terror suspects in several areas of the country, and in
hijackings, and their possible interest in attacks in those locations,
you didn't find that to be actionable intelligence?
Bush:
Right. No specifics. What could I have done? Made an announcement based
on vague threat information and panicked millions of people in New York
and Washington? Can you imagine what the traffic jams would have looked
like as people fled those cities? Can you imagine the federal
government basically closed down because of these vague warnings?
Ben
Veniste: Well, let's just take one for-instance, if we may. Mr.
President, when you were alerted that a "spectacular" attack was being
planned by Osama Bin Laden and his Al Qaida operatives, through
bombings and something to do with hijacking airplanes, wouldn't it have
made sense, given that a catastrophic attack was on its way, to call
together all the principals in your Cabinet and get them to do
everything in their power to heighten security at the airlines, have
the photos of suspected terrorists (which were released the following
day to the press) at the check-in counters, increase security around
airports, at government buildings, at large skyscrapers, alert NORAD to
be on special call, and so on? Why did you not do any of this?
Bush:
Dick Clarke was in charge of our counter-terrorism program. He alerted
the FAA. If there were any slip-ups, it wasn't my fault. The FBI and
the CIA didn't connect the d--
Ben Veniste: My time is running
out, Mr. President. So let me just try to parse your answer and
follow-up. Despite all the warnings, you, as President of the United
States, took no special measures, you ordered no special heightened
security warnings, you did not even call your principal advisers
together to seek their wisdom on what could be done to batten down the
hatches and protect the lives of American citizens. And when the 9/11
attacks did come, the fighter jets at NORAD remained on the ground
until more than an hour after the damage was done, even though this was
contrary to their quick-response protocols. So my final question to
you, Mr. President, is one that a great many Americans want to have
presented and answered openly: Did you perhaps do nothing that might
have interfered with the 9/11 attacks in order to use the fright and
terror that followed to further your own political agenda in--
Cheney:
Mr. Chairman, this is outrageous! I object strenuously to this partisan
attack on our President, our Administration. He is suggesting
treasonous behavior on our part and I will not be a party--
Kean:
Your objection is registered, Mr. Vice President. Commissioner Ben
Veniste, please rephrase your question in a less confrontational tone
and permit the President to answer it.
Cheney: I will NOT answer it. This line of questioning, impugning my motives, cannot be permitted to stand!
Hamilton:
That was a most intriguing reaction, Mr. Vice President. Nobody asked
you about your actions or your motives. Commissioner Ben Veniste's
question was directed at the President -- Mr. George W. Bush, the
fellow sitting on your right. Are you suggesting to us that you are the
architect of the Administration's policies with regard to pre-9/11
behavior?
Cheney: It was a mere slip of the tongue, Mr. Vice
Chairman, expressed in the heat of the moment. I serve to aid the
President in his policy decisions. He was always in charge of Executive
policy, and he is now.
Bush: That's right. I am now. And was then. And always shall be. Just ask Dick.
Cheney: That's right, Mr. President. You are the man who is in charge.
Bush: But I do count on you, Dick, for your advice and suggestions. I've always found them most useful.
Kean:
Um, this might be a good point at which to take our morning break. We
still stand in recess for 20 minutes, and then we'll resume the
questioning from the other Commissioners. Thank you, Mr. President;
thank you, Mr. Vice President.